Some seed companies try to keep their (conventional) breeding programs going and this is hard because of all the high tech involved in today's breeding. Grow your. That can only be because you have failed to grasp what my concerns are and what they mean. No, I've read everything including all links. --, That is an example of what I understand a label to mean. I will say I do read Mother Earth News and have seen some documentaries and news pieces on the subject. There are smaller seed companies out there trying to get established just as the seed industry is consolidating. I am not looking for an argument and wish you well. In 1921, they bought the commission packet business from Morse. As should every living person on the earth. :-). We are all human and perfect accuracy is beyond all of us. :-)". I feel all comments among us should be assumed to be in good faith without having to win favor in "the benefit of the doubt", as this shouldn't be a political forum. I am not an evangelist, simply a critical thinker who keeps their faith to themselves and encourages others to respect the belief of all just not to manipulate others with the sort of false, misleading & manipulative, and incomplete information which activists on both artificially created poles routinely are doing. We are not well suited to discuss controversial subjects with each other. You dont know what to think about my question? If either of us does not grasp it, I think the person who is willing for GMO technology to tamper with our food supply is the more likely person to not grasp the gravity of the situation. What is it you expect - for me to write a thesis on GMOs to include for this thread? National Geographic Article on GMOs and Florida Orange Juice, reference from the British publication Nature, the pioneering 1973 peer-reviewed paper of CFCs causing the breakdown of ozone was published, https://www.foodandwaterwatch.org/sites/default/files/fs_1802_1406-monsantoseedsupd_web.pdf, using taj mahal quartzite for kitchen counter. And what does my belief that GMOs are 1000% wrong, or any reason why I believe that, have anything at all to do with the sentence you are responding to? All Ferry-Morse seeds are 100% Non-GMO. I know you won't like all my replies but I don't want you to think I am ignoring anything. Native Seeds/S.E.A.R.C.H. You are trying to sit on the fence and not be on either side, and to tell you the truth, it sounds as if you really dont know what you think on the subject. Now I doubt their whole list. I suspect it is a lack of awareness. As a result, Ferry-Morse has earned the trust and respect of retailers and home gardeners across the country. 0000010754 00000 n Compare Their paper catalog usually has an update each year about what is going on with varieties that they are finding that are non GMO and varieties they are dropping because of an association with GMO seeds. If you can tell their ideology from the title, it probably isn't. 2023 Plantation Products, LLC, dba Green Garden Products. (all are Big ag GMO producers). That is an example of what I understand a label to mean. You think that you have answered it, but to me that was not an answer. You can't believe anything from infowars - their site has been taken down because of all of the conspiracy theories and fake news. This is what you originally said and what I quoted verbatim: If you would like to clarify or interpret differently what you said (specifically the bolded part), that is fine and your right and no shame in that, I do it all the time and I do change opinions all the time too. One of them I am confused by, and in the other one you say, I'll address first, starting with your quotes which relate to similar questions about me and my issues: " Are these smaller seed companies you are concerned for, owned by Monsanto? We offer a large selection of home gardening vegetables seeds with high yields. Really good article, I learned a few things. The Ferry-Morse Seed Company is a supplier of seeds, and was at one time the largest such company in the world. Only you, evidently, are in pursuit of the truth, and are not trying to mislead or manipulate? Lowes gets $0.25 of it. Audubon Workshop Breck's Bulbs Cook's Garden Dege Garden Center Earl May Seed E & R Seed Co Ferry Morse Flower of the Month Club Gardens Alive Germania Seed Co Garden Trends HPS Jung Seed Genetics Lindenberg Seeds McClure and Zimmerman Quality Bulb Brokers Mountain Valley . Thanks for the reply and summarizing your GMO fears and beliefs, and how that contributes to your actions. After Vince's passing in 2006, Linda remained as owner with her two children occasionally helping in the business. A leader and innovator in the gardening industry since 1896, McKenzie Seeds offers unsurpassed quality and deep commitment to the customer. It is available, however the poorest starving workers currently earn more using the GM cotton, which to them means more money for nutrition, health and the other necessities their earnings buy. Over the years, the stocking evolved into high-tech netting that provides roots with the optimum amount of air and water. You seem to feel that what you have to say is much more important than anything I have to say. 0000003180 00000 n Burpee gets $0.10 of it, marginalized Asian Indian farmers producing it get $0.05 of it (I'd rather buy US seed, but cheap hybrid seed is usually produced there which at least helps very needy and hardworking people), Florida gets $0.03 if I paid sales tax on retail seeds (can't remember) UPS gets $0.01 of it. Your interpretation of another comment is again, not quite accurate. Between 1996 and 2007, Monsanto, the largest supplier of genetically engineered (or GMO) seed traits,2 acquired more than a dozen smaller companies,3 and it now controls 60 percent of corn and 62.5 percent of soy-bean seeds and seed trait licenses in the United States.4 You made two comments about me that I feel are not accurate. -- and what I said, which was that getting the word out produces an awareness of GMOs as an issue. Today Livingston is the number one supplier of top-quality, 100% Non-GMO seeds for independent businesses. I said --. OK, I don't know what to think about this comment other than feeling you are a bully because you say I don't listen to you but you want to force a dichotomy on me again, either answer how you want or you are not interested. [14][15], In 2021, Central Garden & Pet acquired Green Garden Products and its brand names Ferry-Morse, American Seed, Livingston Seed, McKenzie, NK Lawn & Garden, Jiffy, SUPERthrive, Dyna-Gro and Seeds of Change.[16]. A.W. I cannot support misleading people for political ends. The 'foodandwaterwatch' link doesn't work, but it is two years old. The same as I do about Monsanto. My original question Are you against any of the things Monsanto has done or is doing? you dont want to answer. We boycott all gene-altering companies." they also are connected with an heirloom gardening magazine. And I don't think Monsanto will own these forever, the way they go, not very long at all since it is such an insignificant business to them. [6], In 1905, Ferry sold one of their large corn fields to the Burroughs Adding Machine Company. I believe if it interests them enough, they will look into it further, themselves.. If you need to label me, which I feel is unfair and would not do to you, please put me in the category of "independent thinker" and "undecided" on the whole GMO mess. The other thing you said *about* being misquoted is *false*, quoting what you say now: "PC misquoted me, I said people becoming aware of the issue of GMOs was a good thing.". Two people posted about two seed companies on the list. Jiffy created another industry breakthrough with the Jiffy pellet. hbba`b``3 10 [T endstream endobj 523 0 obj <>/Metadata 26 0 R/Pages 25 0 R/StructTreeRoot 28 0 R/Type/Catalog/ViewerPreferences<>>> endobj 524 0 obj <>/Font<>/ProcSet[/PDF/Text]/XObject<>>>/Rotate 0/StructParents 1/TrimBox[0.0 0.0 612.0 792.0]/Type/Page>> endobj 525 0 obj <> endobj 526 0 obj <> endobj 527 0 obj <> endobj 528 0 obj <>stream Does Ferry-Morse have a catalog? Invented in 1939, SUPERthrive has had a fabulous journey that few products can match all thanks to the creativity and passion of its founder, Dr. John Thomson. Here is the reference from the British publication Nature. Hopefully IF it is explained well enough others might get a better understanding of the issue.". They were certainly optional for anyone that had a desire to read them. There are also plenty of graphs showing the overlap of government officials that make policy and Monsanto employees which is more worrying to me actually. But you claim that you do. Ferry-Morse. It's important to realize that, while there are definitely aspects of the issue that are, at best, unsavory, and at worst downright deplorable, there are also those beneficial and worthy parts of the whole as well. If this is true, how did that happen? And I'm not sure about Ecowatch, but supposedly that is a reliable website with news about the environment. Back in the early 1980s, there was only a 'seed' of the organic movement. 0000055179 00000 n 0000002729 00000 n African Daisy Mixed Colors Flower Seeds (Seed Packet) .22-Gram. It's a conspiracy theory website and anyone can post articles there. Ferry seed catalogs, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ferry-Morse_Seed_Company&oldid=1144036611, Companies based in Santa Clara, California, Agriculture companies of the United States, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0, This page was last edited on 11 March 2023, at 12:52. hb`````pd&03EY8zT'00a@,d/Dy ) d|HXDh+3&0%18?`aeT,&1gh)smi`8pIni`!ah k\w'@w06` Y0:tcr4#0 3: endstream endobj 575 0 obj <>/Filter/FlateDecode/Index[28 494]/Length 39/Size 522/Type/XRef/W[1 1 1]>>stream All Ferry-Morse seeds are 100% Non-GMO. Besides which my overall choice to garden organically was made over 30 years ago, and open pollinated and non GMO seeds just fits right in with that point of view for me. I see the natural world, and I see the effect that humans have had on it, when they assume that they know enough to tamper with it. Nothing. Again, you opened up the discussion of GMO when you challenged the idea of boycotting GMO seed companies. You still dont know that they wont at some future time. And is it inaccurate to say that Monsanto does produce GMO seeds and that is their main goal? Yet at the same time, you suggest ways of affecting their bottom line, which would indicate you are against them to some degree. I use $0.50 worth of seeds each year from it. I am 1000% against genetically modifying seed. Five Ways the FDA Has Failed Consumers on Genetically Engineered Foods 2013, http://ecowatch.com/2013/03/07/fda-genetically-engineered-foods/, USDA will not take action in case of GMO alfalfa contamination, http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/17/usa-alfalfa-gmo-idUSL2N0HD1SQ20130917. Model# 9507. There is only room for one other comment before this post becomes to long for me. After nobody else volunteered you used information about the India topic which you presented as an obligation of every living person with another if: This illustrates the cycle of misinformation undecided folks face. 0000022336 00000 n Model# 0020. I don't want to loose those tomatoes, but I can see some people that think losing them would be a victory (against what? LOL! The Ferry-Morse Seed Company is a supplier of seeds, and was at one time the largest such company in the world. Well wishes to you too. The first year the company did $6,000 in business. I'm not responsible for what you understand or who is marketing what. You are so right. As for the GMO involved, yes, it is the leading potential solution and everyone will probably have equal and free access to it, including every other country around the world growing Citrus., You are splitting hairs. We all want this, right? California now has the same disease. You've made broad, generalizations about the people on both sides of this controversy as if you are not part of either side. Initially, I did not respond to this because although you framed it in an appeal to dire consequences, you carefully put a disclaimer transferring the burden of fact-checking to others. Id like to see individuals participate more in creating businesses that are all about community and supporting the environment. 0000535219 00000 n [5] The combined firm became the largest seed distribution company in the world. Over the years, dozens upon dozens of seed companies have come and gone. And a few comments later, you said you were not looking for an argument, but I dispute that statement. You will find it is considered baloney by reliable fact-checkers that published a peer reviewed study which concluded the the rate of suicide has no correlation with the cited GMOs in India. It is one thing to be mad when a large company deprives me of seeds and has other businesses that are very profitable which can seem not to benefit consumers. 0000019942 00000 n No. That is an analysis of my part of the conversation and intentions and a label that youve added to describe your interpretation of it. The context of my comment was that in exiting the conversation you told me you were going to give me the benefit of the doubt about my intentions. If there is, it is a very thin line, despite your long explanation of why they are not the same thing. Its not easy to explain it completely, but Ill give it a try. %PDF-1.4 % 0000509606 00000 n Monsanto spends a lot of money lobbying Washington, so -- we have no law against genetically modifying seed. Is that right? Repeat the same flaws?' They seem to have the best germination rate of any seeds I've tried and they have a lot of unusual or less modern plants (like varieties and even species used by Native Americans that you can't find easily elsewhere). It then gets called a documentary. How did we get to this point? Pupilla - you seem to clearly be of a divided mind here. Ferry Seed Company merged with the California based seed company C. C. Morse Company in 1930 to become the Ferry-Morse Seed Company. This year, I also ordered seed from Johnny's seed. [5][8] However, Wilson's health was poor, and in 1877 he sold the operation to Charles Copeland Morse and A. L. prarie, clear as day. I just call you out for using fallacious logic or repeating long debunked claims you choose to provide links for about millions of people dying which have been debunked. They bought the seed company Seminis in 2005, as well as several smaller companies. I said this topic was an emotional issue for everyone, not just me. And complete information doesn't exist, there is always some amount of information that is unavailable to us. So I don't trust the viability of this list. As to me labeling you, no, absolutely not. The observation that you think I was referring to you or labeling you, is incorrect, and I would counter that you clearly are labeling yourself. 0000492936 00000 n Companies are bought and sold every day in the seed business, and the corporate owners usually have nothing to do with the good people working at them who are hard working employees, many who like gardening and natural living, like me. Approximately 40% of the rice harvest is lost each year to pest and disease issues as a result of the protracted flooding of paddies. This is just a winter sowing forum where people don't come to receive inaccurate information in order to 'convert' them to some belief system. My participation in this thread stems from the desire to see first-hand experience, accuracy, truthfulness and completeness in evaluating any product. Or that people who oppose GMOs do not have legitimate reasons to consider them dangerous? Is Ferry Morse a good brand? Monsanto will not sell GMO seeds to the Home Gardener. First of all, you dont know that. Add to Cart. Compare $ 2 49. https://www.msu.edu/~howardp/seedindustry.html. You seem to be trying to straddle both sides and see yourself above everyone else. You detail your beliefs, and I respect everyone's beliefs , especially yours, whether your beliefs are religiously-based, socially-based, or logically-based. Citrus Browning disease to me is not a philosophical worry, it is an economic, cultural, and very real problem today that may force me to make a decision on a particular instance of a particular GMO. [4], Ferry began to operate facilities outside Detroit. "Monoculture" is a problem that has far reaching implications outside the farm itself.In fact, the whole concept of modern agriculture, from animal raising to crop growing, is plagued with many serious issues. 250 Milli-Gram Eggplant Black Beauty Vegetable (Seed Packet) Model # 466437.199.906735. I completely agree with you, that we do dive headfirst into what is considered 'progress' and in the process we let go of what is very valuable and sometimes priceless then only in hindsight, do we acknowledge or understand what we've done. I'll have to look for them, to see if I can't expand the seed companies I do business with. You have used it a a major component of two posts. From 1856 onward, Ferry Morse seeds have been supplying the freshest and best garden seeds for the home gardens of American gardeners. 3. seedsNOW I have selected one or two only at a time to respond to and even with those I have written at least as many, but I think plenty more words than you. It's rhetorical. Disclaimer: I worked for a seed company that was being purchased by Monsanto, in a GMO-free operation. The Company was, at a particular time, the largest seed supplier globally. They only bother to genetically modify major commercial crops. I share my experiences about organic growing. [And now about you]. I could easily conclude that you were looking for an argument about whether people should be boycotting GMO seed companies. Seeds were accumulated from local farms, brought to this warehouse by horse-drawn wagons, then bagged and shipped by rail or freight to Detroit. Thanks for pointing me in a direction to find a better list of Seed Companies that are owned by Monsanto. Ferry-Morse is a company that specializes in supplying seeds. Soon many more garden seed companies bought from not only Burpee but also from Petoseed, companies as diverse as Ferry-Morse, Park's, Gurney's, Johnny's, Northrup King and Comstock-Ferre. I try to learn how to make a habitat for pollinators. Or is it just that you reject the idea that it could possibly be a frightening outcome? Gardner & Company[2] (also known as Gardner, Ferry, and Church) in Detroit, Michigan. Compare $ 1 98. :). Have you read the FEDCO companys catalog? [4] However, Ferry quickly re-organized the company, bought seeds from outside sources and absorbed two smaller seed companies, and the company managed to fill orders for its customers. 0000033228 00000 n Find My Store. To me, you cant go in opposite directions at the same time. False is false. I read the Wiki synopsis of the film and it reports that Indias farmers dispute claims that Monsantos crops require less pesticide or produce higher yields. ], To clarify - I believe there are still many people who are unaware of GMOs and what they are, so whenever that subject comes up, it makes people at least aware of it. What, remove names once someone finds an inaccuracy? How about if the potential outcome is something to really be afraid of, that doesn't matter? Gunna go GMO & Chemical ( & other non-goodie stuff ) free! Monsanto does not offer genetically modified vegetable seeds for the home garden market. You're right there are plenty of companies competing for worst company status. This logical flaw is similar to "Denying a Conjunct" (wiki link where it is defined). I was happy with that purchase too. The first time I let it slide because you said you hadn't time to read as much as you would like and were unsure about the accuracy of the sources. I am not concerned about losing varieties of seeds as you are. Get fresh organic and heirloom vegetable, herb and flower seeds. Genetic engineering has been able to create a rice that can survive for up to two weeks submerged under water, and may prove to be a lifeline for these people.The Hawaiian papaya industry was brought back from the brink of disaster by splicing ringspot virus DNA with that of the plant, a process similar to the inoculation of humans against disease. But yet they have been included in the list. We later expanded the catalog to include peppers and eggplant since they are in the same plant family as tomatoes. There's plenty of it. $1.96. Each variety is maintained genetically pure to itself, and the home garden area has absolutely no more access to GMO's than any all-organic anti-GMO crusading company. The length of this thread has now become ridiculous. Unfortunately the home garden market is only a drop in the bucket and if a big-ag company decided to discontinue it there would be varieties that could be lost forever. ", Pupilla, it doesn't surprise me, that I made such an unclear statement last night, I was up past my bedtime. Ed, do you see the green sentence at the bottom of the thread, to click on to switch off notifications? Syngenta - This is the first I am hearing about it. Please be respectful of my time. and adding if I must only bow to your statement, you have increased the negativity of what you said. You said it is an emotional issue and I respect that, but it doesn't give anyone the right to say hurtful things like not thinking what you say is important after coming this far. When you infer (incorrectly) I could be labeling you, you miss the foundation of my point, which is that anti-Monsanto preachers and Monsanto marketers are a false dichotomy (a.k.a., an exclusion of the middle) and my context is that I will not succumb to either rhetorical extreme (faith-based or money-based). So, perhaps you can now see, how we are a very poor fit to have a conversation? Multiple smaller, non high tech companies that are manageable by individuals and an asset to their communities. [g] Not always easy to get what is in your head clearly down on the page. I am not a fan of Monsanto's practices or the other big agri-chem companies. 0000001926 00000 n I am not here for an in depth debate on GMOs since the premise of the thread is how to avoid GMO seeds. 0000519553 00000 n [13] Plantation Products later changed its name to Green Garden Products. It will only cause Monsanto to close down unprofitable seed companies which will cause a loss of natural genetic diversity. 0000510186 00000 n If you have some opinion on GMO seeds, on Monsanto, or other companies producing GMO seeds, or the preservation of non GMO seeds, which are the topic of this thread, then perhaps you might share that in concise and direct language and leave out the rest. Two publications that came to mind are the Christian Science Monitor and Mother Earth News, a magazine that has been in business for 35 years. 0000011681 00000 n The genetic engineering of human insulin was actually the first patent awarded in the field in the 1980's. Business of the company continually increased for some time, until January 1, 1886, when a disastrous fire demolished the company's warehouse with the loss of near $1,000,000. I disagree, that only when you are trying to convince someone of something, do you need to win their favor. With over 1800 seed varieties on offer, the company is proud to have veggies like Black Incan Corn, Coffee Okra and Marble Beans on its roster. The D.M. Nearly 70 percent of gardeners said they buy most of their seeds from mail-order vegetable seed companies. Monsanto and the other companies you mention, are basically in the biotech field. 0000510000 00000 n Its not easy to explain it completely, but Ill give it a try. You seem to still want to believe that GMO seed may not be such a bad thing. Worse then Phillip-Morris, which in addition to selling tobacco, has been cited for child labor? And let me draw attention to the fact that you did not address the other half of my statement which was about the way in which youve added your analysis of me into the discussion. . However, after doing this research, I have bought my last Ferry Morse seed packet. You seem to still want to believe that GMO seed may not be such a bad thing. 0000015871 00000 n Not Monsanto, nor any company it owns or any company it has ever owned, will sell you GMO seeds. I don't expect that me avoiding buying their products is really going to put a dent in their bottom line, but I still don't like giving them my money. 0000020325 00000 n As to questioning your intentions - I had reason to question your intentions, what do you call this statement you made? Better to leave the door open! I do not think Better Boy or the entire home garden seed market makes any difference to Monsanto. Perhaps even more impressive is the companys history of innovation. The Citrus Browning is global, so if GMO is the only workable solution, not adopting it in Florida (after our Citrus growers sponsor it) will just mean other growing areas will pick up the slack, probably Brasil, and they likely will need to implement the GMO citrus and just take out produce just as Mexico did with strawberries and tomatoes already. 0000535956 00000 n 2. a discussion involving differing points of view; debate: And no, I did not expect you to read all the links and report back on them to the thread. 0000492971 00000 n Hopefully if it is explained well enough others might get a better understanding of the issue.". Again, we have much common ground about our misgivings of Big Ag, and how the 7 big aggies are gobbling everything up and the smaller companies have difficulties keeping up and having the R&D funding to compete with the new breeding technologies besides GM, and how I support the little guys with a large portion of my seed purchases. On one hand, you object to boycotting Monsanto seed companies, on the other youre willing to offer suggestions on hitting their bottom line in other ways, as long as that doesnt jeopardize the tomato varieties that you dont want to lose. You disagreed that I said "a better understanding of an issue was gotten, simply by 'getting the word out'", which was not what I said. Thanks for providing me a second look at it. There was one woman who was so completely misinformed about the subject that she was worried that the Miracle-Gro potting mix she bought was GMO. I see some noble motive given to something, like trying to cure disease attached to the pursuit of biotech methods, but many other motives become more the focus as that pursuit develops. On time delivery of my seeds. "There are two spiritual dangers in not owning a farm," wrote Aldo Leopold, "One is the danger of supposing that breakfast comes from the grocery" When we remove ourselves so far from what is actually going on in our food supply, we basically give the large agribusinesses carte blanche to do whatever they want, as long as the shelves are always stocked.Now, with that being said, there are benefits to genetic engineering that are often overlooked in the conversation. And this is actually your version of limiting the scope of your discussion to only what was relative? [8], In the early 1900s, D.M. I think you should support seed companies that you can trust, that are working hard to keep seeds GMO free in the future and who work with people they can trust. Monsanto isn't the only company that makes GMO cropswhy does everyne get worked up over Monsanto, and no one talks about Syngenta?